State secession is a scenario if Biden wins

He was born in Athens, the son of Donald Kagan, a prominent classicist and expert in the history of the Peloponnesian War. However, Robert Kagan did not follow his father's academic path, but instead worked at the State Department under the Ronald Reagan administration, as a speechwriter for the then secretary of state George P. Shultz, and a member of the United States Department of State's Policy Planning Staff, before ending up at the Brookings Institution as a senior fellow and as a regular analyst for the Washington Post. A few days ago he participated in the Delphi Economic Forum and spoke about American democracy, the dilemmas of the West and the war in Ukraine. Part of the discussion at the forum follows below.

In your famous book, you argue that the jungle is growing back, posing a threat to the entire post-war liberal system. Are you really worried about...